Hematoma with swelling

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There is a card from the emergency room. It is well known that this is linden, but the evidence for this is not admissible. I attach a scan. From the point of view of SME professionals, is there something in it that points to the linden? For example, that only edema is found, not bruises, there is no description of the shape and color. What does "do not transfer to the address of residence"?

Post edited by Andy60 - 31.03.2013 - 16:24

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is there something in it that points to the linden?


The variant of normal registration of a card from an emergency station. Usually, "linden" is done much better than "not linden". In any case, the issue of the admissibility of evidence, forgery, etc. is not solved by SMEs.

Only edema is found, not bruises, there is no description of the shape and color.


It happens that there is only swelling of soft tissues in the place of injury.

What does it mean "not to inform in the place of residence"?


This is better to ask the author of the document. Regardless of his response to the medical (forensic) essence, this does not affect.

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The variant of normal registration of a card from an emergency station. Usually, "linden" is done much better than "not linden". In any case, the issue of the admissibility of evidence, forgery, etc. is not solved by SMEs.

It happens that there is only swelling of soft tissues in the place of injury.

This is better to ask the author of the document. Regardless of his response to the medical (forensic) essence, this does not affect.

I will formulate it in another way. What is the difference between edema and hematoma? In the medical, traumatological sense?
I ask to forgive for amateurish questions - businessobeys a private accusation, will have to perform the functions of the opera and the investigator himself, with the help of friends of the relevant professions. But there are simply no doctors of such specialization among friends.

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At the time of the examination, the clinician BLOOD CIRCUITS did not see.

If possible, tell me how to raise the issue for SMEs correctly in order to get such an answer?

Quote (Thick @ 31/03/2013 - 17:56)

Edema is one of the signs of an inflammatory reaction. Edema is not = a hemorrhage, bruise or bruise.
Hematoma of soft tissues is a type of hemorrhage characterized by the accumulation of blood in tissues, with their delamination, and the formation of a cavity made with blood.
Many traumatologists (and sometimes also SMEs) call a large bruise a hematoma, which is not true.
Bruising is also a hemorrhage, but not with the accumulation and delamination of tissues, but with their diffuse impregnation with blood.
The bruise should have some kind of morphological manifestation (bruising, other hemorrhage in the tissue, abrasion.).

SMEs will, well, if they will, conduct on this mapand case materials. In the materials, the private prosecutor claims that bruises, of enormous size, 18x20 cm at the waist, 15x20 cm at the hip and 7x10 cm at the shoulder, were recorded in the emergency room. Witnesses claim to have seen bruises BEFORE traveling to injury. So it contradicts what is fixed in the map? I apologize that I'm complaining, but I need to get this point very clearly.


Post edited by Fat - 31.03.2013 - 17:06

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SMEs will, well, if they will, conduct on this mapand case materials. In the materials, the private prosecutor claims that bruises, of enormous size, 18x20 cm at the waist, 15x20 cm at the hip and 7x10 cm at the shoulder, were recorded in the emergency room. Witnesses claim to have seen bruises BEFORE traveling to injury.


When deciding on the availability and natureBe guided by the data of medical documents. And in them there is no evidence of damage. Testimony of witnesses and "accusations of the prosecutor" give little.
That, the accuser himself personally measured bruises 18x20 cm, etc. And the witnesses WHAT HAVE seen, and how they determined that they saw the damage, and not something else?
Not to mention the fact that the "bruise" is a common word that has several meanings, besides the synonym of bruising.

If possible, tell me how to raise the issue for SMEs correctly in order to get such an answer?


- Are there any objective data on the presence of any signs of bodily injury?
- Is "edema" a reliable and objective sign of injury? can he have a different, non-traumatic origin?
- What objective data in the presented meddocument is confirmed and justified the diagnosed "bruise"?
- By what methods has the doctor determined the presence of local edema, and how is it usually established?
- Is there enough information in the medical document to unequivocally state that the trauma has occurred and to establish the nature of this trauma?

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Quote (Thick @ 31/03/2013 - 18:16)

When deciding on the availability and natureBe guided by the data of medical documents. And in them there is no evidence of damage. Testimony of witnesses and "accusations of the prosecutor" give little.
That, the accuser himself personally measured bruises 18x20 cm, etc. And the witnesses WHAT HAVE seen, and how they determined that they saw the damage, and not something else?
Not to mention the fact that the "bruise" is a common word that has several meanings, besides the synonym of bruising.

- Are there any objective data on the presence of any signs of bodily injury?
- Is "edema" a reliable and objective sign of injury? can he have a different, non-traumatic origin?
- What objective data in the presented meddocument is confirmed and justified the diagnosed "bruise"?
- By what methods has the doctor determined the presence of local edema, and how is it usually established?
- Is there enough information in the medical document to unequivocally state that the trauma has occurred and to establish the nature of this trauma?

Hooray! Once again a huge thank you! Absolutely exhaustive, I clearly understood! Shake your hand!

Once again, thanks to all for the competent answers, if it is interesting in this forum - do not close the topic - I will report on the results of the SME and the case itself.

Post edited by Andy60 - 31.03.2013 - 17:27